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  JWs and Christmas

  by Rnadomchris83 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been lurking around here for years.

  i'm not a witness, but my in-laws are.

  my wife grew up in it but was never baptized.

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  Sea Breeze

  whenever we touch any religious subject, it's like the lights turn off, and they go into robot mode.

  This is a global phenomena among JW's. The robot mode you are referring to is the indoctrination kicking in reminding them that they alone have the "TRUTH"."

  To receive everlasting life in the earthly Paradise we must identify that organization and serve God as part of it." Watchtower 1983 Feb 15 p.12

  "The plain truth is that we cannot say that we trust in Jehovah if we do not trust in his earthly representatives - those whom Jehovah trusts. Today Jehovah leads the earthly part of his organisation by means of "the faithful and discreet slave."" Examining the Scriptures 23 June 2023

  "Today Jehovah leads the earthly part of his organization by means of “the faithful and discreet slave.” ... We show that we trust in Jehovah’s way of doing things by heeding the direction we receive from the organization and the elders." Watchtower 2022 Feb p.4

  "Some may feel that they can interpret the Bible on their own. However, Jesus has appointed the ‘faithful slave’ to be the only channel for dispensing spiritual food. Since 1919, the glorified Jesus Christ has been using that slave to help his followers understand God’s own Book and heed its directives." Watchtower 2016 Nov p.16
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  Why the WATCHTOWER doesn't believe in the GREAT APOSTASY but you should!

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  https://youtu.be/i4uttjj7eus?si=0b-fzpqm8axb_d3p.

  in its latest april 2025 watchtower study article 17 and paragraph 12 the watchtower promotes 2 dangerous lies that will cost your life if you are a believing christian during the time of the end, so i'm considering today the first lie in the first part of the paragraph, but first let's read the paragraph itself: "today, jehovah promises to provide us with spiritual protection.

  he will never allow satan to corrupt true worship.

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  Sea Breeze

  Good points. Jesus said that the world would be filled with deception at the end of the age:

  Mt. 24 - 3-5 Now as He sat on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately, saying, “Tell us, when will these things be? And what will be the sign of Your coming, and of the end of the age?”

  And Jesus answered and said to them: “Take heed that no one deceives you. For many will come...and will deceive many".

  "Come to Jehovah's organization for salvation" Watchtower 1981 Nov 15 p.212

  "Consider, too, the fact that Jehovah's organization alone, in all the earth, is directed by God's holy spirit or active force. (Zech. 4:6) Only this organization functions for Jehovah's purpose and to his praise. To it alone God's Sacred Word, the Bible, is not a sealed book." Watchtower 1973 Jul 1 p.402

  "Christ thus leads the congregation by means of the spirit-anointed "faithful and discreet slave" and its Governing Body." Examining the Scriptures Daily 2007 p.34

  "Jehovah’s visible organization can use you, but can get along without you too. But you cannot get along without it. Fruitless ones are eventually pruned off and never missed as new ones are grafted in. Pruned-off branches soon wither and die, being cut off from the circulating, life-giving sap." Watchtower 1950 Jan 15 p.26
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  Are JW's brainwashed?

  by snare&racket in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know as a jw i concluded several times that i was not brainwashed as i was not some unautonimous zombie and had not experienced anything akin to.... .

  but in reality, brainwashing is a control of thought and ideas over a person and changing the way they think.

  in normal life such sentences are not used, in fact they are highly discouraged... .

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  Sea Breeze

  Some EX-JWs appear brainwashed too:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tZan-PYDCk&ab_channel=KimMikey
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  Making Friends with Babylon the Great: Watchtower’s New Goal

  by raymond frantz in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  https://youtu.be/iv_uifab-qg?si=ttnajiuizmtqlte9.

  it began during the last annual meeting of 2014 and now is trikling down to their watchtower magazines, this new "live and let live" attitude towards people of other faiths, or as they were known as babylon the great soon to be dead in the hands of god members.but it is a new different story, so let's read paragraph 15 from study article 15:.

  "jehovah is kind to both the righteous and the unrighteous.

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  Sea Breeze

  JW's will have to find other means to get their jollies since it is no longer PC to talk about their neighbors and co-workers becoming bird food and manure on the ground. The old timers are being put out to pasture, after WT ganked their life savings and family wealth of course.

  This is nothing less than WT admittling that they never believed the old filty whore schtick about churches, just as they never believed the fear porn about the UN being the wild beast of Satan when they agreed to support UN objectives while they were listed as a UN NGO.

  The question is how many brain-dead members under 40 will go along with this ?
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  Are JW's brainwashed?

  by snare&racket in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i know as a jw i concluded several times that i was not brainwashed as i was not some unautonimous zombie and had not experienced anything akin to.... .

  but in reality, brainwashing is a control of thought and ideas over a person and changing the way they think.

  in normal life such sentences are not used, in fact they are highly discouraged... .

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  Sea Breeze

  My ex-FIL who was Presiding Overseer once said mockingly on stage: "I was a accused of being brain-washed at someone's door recently. I told him we all need a good brain-washing from time to time".

  - racous laughter from KH audience
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  Do JW's believe that TWO nations were created?

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  one at pentecost 33 c.e.

  or were they "overlapping nations?".

  w02 8/1 p. 12 par.

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  Sea Breeze

  Yes, they try to teach this. They have to reach back and grab some OT lingo and put a symbolic spin on it and presto! They think there is another way to get saved other than through the blood covenant. Only trouble is NT theology talks about "one new man" not two:

  Eph. 2: 12 - you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility 15 by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace,
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  Found Anthony Morris out in the wild!!!

  by BereanThinker7 in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  that was click bait.

  did it work?

  https://youtu.be/_spl7to0m3y?si=gujblhtzkpy0fvzz .

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  Sea Breeze

  This A. Morris sighting was reported by a trinitarian and shows him forraging in the wilderness. Looks like he grew a beard and has become quite elusive. Field service?

  
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  Pa. Has Charged 14 Jehovah's Witnesses With CSA Just Since Last Fall ! More Expected.

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhwk6pxprkg&ab_channel=thethornbushwasblazing%26yetdidn%27tburnup.

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  Sea Breeze

  Would’ve been 15 if that one guy hadn’t put a bullet in his head before the cops could arrest him.

  Missed that part Vidiot, thanks. I'm sure he probably thought that he would wake up in paradise, you know for the do-over the Watchtower promised him.

  I suspect that he found out rather quickly afterwards that he simply jumped from the frying pan into the fire.
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  Is Jesus the Creator?

  by Sea Breeze in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  that's what the word says.

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  colossians 1:16. for by him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through him and for him..

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  Sea Breeze

  @moomanchu

  aqwsed12345
  Your knowledgeable, comprehensive and noninsulting answers are admirable. Very patient, way more than me.

  Me too. Whenever, I see Ad hominims getting thrown around, I know that side has run out of places to hide. And it is nearly always the same side that engages in it.

  Thank you aqwsed12345 for your research on this thread.

  Colossians 1:16

  For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities
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  How Do JWs Understand Salvation & What Is Needed to Obtain It?

  by LauraLynn in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  from my experience within the jw organization, i understood that salvation meant a person accepted the teachings of the wbts without question as the "faithful and discrete slave," thereby placing their trust in them, not jesus christ.

  salvation consisted of being found "righteous" by jehovah and resurrected to everlasting life in an earthly paradise.

  to obtain this salvation, one needed to obey the organization's teachings, remain a faithful jw, and lead a moral life.

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  Sea Breeze

  Not long ago,,,, maybe 8 - 10 years ago there were talks about whatever you were doing at that time you were locked-in and you were doomed.
  Now,, we have this last minute repentance thing??

  It is becoming increasingly obvious that we were once led by the equilivent of the three stooges.